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№ 19 Apocalypse Now

Season 1

Date

2011-06-05

Featuring

Ben, Matt

Length

1:55:19

Category

Theology

Time Looped as

№ 193

Listen

to Time Loop (№ 193)

2018-02-19

A shallow look at the Apocalypse, but notable for being the first time that Ben and Matt attack Left Behind.

Firsts

  • Episode with topic suggested by listener (Max)
  • Stan Lee Quote of the Week
  • Post-credits Easter Egg scene

Future Episodes

  • Comic Continuity with Dave Johnson
  • Live tweeting The Lord of the Rings extended editions back-to-back-to-back I'm not going to stay over. He stayed over.
  • Review of the Left Behind video game (video)
  • Zombies
  • Revisit of the Multiverse, without Fringe references (in the distant future)
  • Revisit the State of the Superhero Movie

Prophecy

Matt
I will watch The Shawshank Redemption by the Comics Continuity episode
Comics Continuity was № 22. Matt promises again to watch the movie in № 36.
Ben
Matt will not watch The Shawshank Redemption by the Comics Continuity episode
Ben
Joss Whedon will stick with Marvel and not direct a Batman movie
Barely true. Joss Whedon wrote the screenplay for Justice League in 2017, but did not direct.
Matt
Joss Whedon will stick with Marvel and not direct a Batman movie

News

Ben is now done with Stan Lee cameos and end credit scenes

On the possibility of of The Dark Knight Rises being scary Do you think you'll be able to get through it without holding my hand? I hope not.

Main Topic

Millennium

  • Amillennialism - millennium is a metaphor for the Church Age
  • Matt is currently tentatively amillennialist
  • Post-millennialism - Church will establish millennium, at the end Jesus returns
  • Pre-millennialism
    • Jesus returns and establishes the millennium
    • Historic (no rapture, no tribulation) vs Dispensationalist (rapture and tribulation)
  • Ben is currently historical premillennialist

Tribulation

  • Literal
  • Metaphorical

Final Judgment

  • Sinners go to hell, Earth is destroyed, saved go to heaven
  • Sinners go to hell, Earth is recreated/renewed, the saved are resurrected and live on Earth

Rapture

  • A recent North American misinterpretation of 1 Thess. 4:17
  • encourages apathy toward the state of the world

The Left Behind video game series might be the single dumbest thing Ben has ever heard of

Is dystopian fiction always post-apocalyptic fiction?

Feedback

Read on, champ. Don't call me champ.
Here's the question. I'm ready, Colin. 'Is there a universe where Matt has actually read all the books, so instead of saying, "I am planning on reading that", he says, "I have read that"?' Aw man. I think there is probably not such a universe. All of our listener feedback is making fun of me, week after week.
On multiple universes What if God makes all your alternate selves fight in a giant cage match? At the end of time? During Judgment Day? Yeah. And then that's how he decides where you go?
God is what He is. He's the Great Is-er.

Closing

Both hum along to Mario music

Ben tapes his fingers together

Archivist Note

It's amusing to hear Matt and Ben attack Left Behind with the fervency of the disillusioned. I was raised with the same eschatology and am currently undecided on the issue, but to play devil's advocate for dispensational premillennialism: prophecy is often vague, and if there's any area where the church could change doctrine "late in the game", it would be eschatology.