Ben, Matt







Interesting topic, more zaniness, near-constant Koby-bashing.
2:07 Take that, Tom Cruise.

Visionaries vs Creators

Joss Whedon did great things, but not things never before seen.

The Wachowski Brothers blew minds with The Matrix, but their other work has been low quality.

Great creators will always have top quality. Great visionaries may not.

More examples:

  • Christopher Nolan - great creator
  • Tim Burton - great visionary
7:44 Ben says China Mieville describes monsters you can hardly imagine. Give us one. Like a monster that he created that now everybody know about. I don't think there's one everybody knows about. They just kind of exist in his-- Like, he didn't create Godzilla? No, he didn't create Godzilla. You said his name was "China" though, right? Yeah, but that was Japan. I know, but it's nearby. Ah, Asia's all the we have to edit that out? I'm just going to let that hang. I'm not going to edit that out. I don't support that belief-- Neither do I! I'm not editing that out. That's fine. That's sticking in there. Sorry! I don't believe what you just said, but I want people to like you less. Because there's already been people requesting that you take Koby's place on the podcast. For good reason. What am I not doing right now? Not texting? Or? Going to the bathroom in the middle of the show? You got it!

Ben is worried about The Hobbit becoming a trilogy It could be a big mess.

12:52 Matt says Isaac Asimov was a visionary. Listeners, if you agree, you can write us at: feedback at Or if you have some other people you want to add to this list that we're saying today, call us at: 612...719...2604? No, that wasn't right. That wasn't right at all! I just wanted to see--612-4121 SFC! SFC. Wow. You are horrible.
22:49 Matt learns the term "speculative fiction" and suggests they rename the podcast "The Speculative-Fiction Christian". "The Spec-Fiction Christian" sounds like a name Koby would come up with: just awkward and weird and so long you have room for a bathroom break in it.
26:00 What are the origins of Satan? I want to come back to this topic. Maybe now is not the right time. Let's study this a little. OK. A Satan episode. Nice. That'll be fun. Good. Maybe episode 666. Oh, can we wait that long? We're only on episode 80. How about 86? What if we promise to do it right after our Alan Moore show?
33:10 One of my next ones is somebody who we both know. One of my runners up for visionary was God. Oh. Yeah. *laughter* You gave God a runner up? That's like a backhanded compliment. 'Here, God! Have a consolation prize! I haven't read anything by Isaac Asimov but he's better than you!'
35:43 Operation Down With Koby commences now! Join me Sci-Fi Christian Nation!
36:27 But, I'm just going to give him a shout-out, because if I gave God a shout-out, of course Kurt Vonnegut needs one.

Top 5 Sci-Fi Visionaries


  1. China Mieville
  2. Terry Gilliam
  3. H. R. Geiger
  4. J. R. R. Tolkien
  5. John Milton and Dante Alighieri
  • Alex Proyas
  • The Wachowksi Brothers
  • Alastair Reynolds
  • Matt Anderson


  1. Isaac Asimov
  2. H. G. Wells
  3. Gene Roddenberry
  4. J. R. R. Tolkien
  5. Rod Serling
  • Ray Bradbury
  • Jules Verne
  • Philip K. Dick
  • Charlie Kaufman
  • God
  • Kurt Vonnegut
40:17 Matt's mom suggested Arthur C. Clarke as a sci-fi visionary. I haven't seen Space Odyssey, 2001. I only watched part of it. Not good, or it was OK? I got bored, cuz the first 30 minutes is just monkeys dancing around. Hmm, interesting. I'll have to check that out. Like I'm not even kidding! The movie starts with 30 minutes of monkeys!